tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1858583177975255300.post5770771451834782167..comments2024-03-26T01:43:30.774-07:00Comments on Dans le sillage d'Advayavajra: Un gourou en action, histoire édifianteHridayarthahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10713264962804395563noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1858583177975255300.post-19303444860543229082015-10-08T23:46:53.882-07:002015-10-08T23:46:53.882-07:00Dans un autre blog, Tibeto-logic (http://tibeto-lo...Dans un autre blog, Tibeto-logic (http://tibeto-logic.blogspot.fr/2015/10/the-padampa-diet-plan.html#comment-form), de Dan Martin, Dan me demanda quelle était mon intention pour publier cette histoire de Zhama. Je lui ai répondu ceci :<br /><br />"As for the deal behind the telling that cocktail of political incorrectness about Zhama, we would have to ask our friend ‘Gos first, who wrote so nicely about Buddha nature. What was he thinking of ?! I didn’t recognise my Padampa, did you recognise yours ? Since you ask, I will try and explain, taking the risk of stating the obvious.<br /><br />A lot (of jumble ?) can be said about and derived from what is written here (Blue Annals, pp. 222-225) about Zhama, especially from my comfortable 21st century armchair (your « *very* weird » suggests to me that yours must be pretty comfy either ;-)). Other times other customs. First, this anecdote can be used as a reminder of the fact that Tantra is not nice, far from it. We could tend to forgot this, with all the attention given to mindfullness, love and compassion, vegetarianism, rights for animals etc. So those who would like to go for traditional tantrism ought to know what part of it they exactly want to go for.<br /><br />I don’t recognise my Padampa, and suspect this piece of « weird stuff » to be an apocrypha or pseudepigrapha, and not only because it suits me better that way. The follow-up question then would be who could have written it, when and why ? How come Padampa’s attitude towards women seems to have changed so much ? E.g. compare with his advice to the nun Düdsi gyi. And didn’t this strike ‘Gos too ? You point to Lamdre littérature and perhaps it was indeed one of ‘Gos lotsava’s sources. This anecdote reminds us that not everything attributed to Tibetan saints was said or written by them. And even if it were, not everything said or written by Tibetan (or Indian) saints ought to be followed mindlessly. <br /><br />I am also shocked by the fact that ‘Gos apparently is not. Not the slightest sign of indignation, or attempt of justification in his rendering. This seems to be orthodox behaviour for him. And perhaps it was in those days, like it probably was here. But then again, my armchair is really very comfortable. Ok there were no women rights in those days, and women were always the property of a man. But in this piece of « weird stuff », there is something more. This fact is rubbed into Zhama’s face by Padampa with a certain amount of abuse of power (my western jumble, still considered from my armchair), when they exchange about the initiation fee (dbang yon). She (or someone else through her and through this text) apparently needed to be reminded of it. If you look at the series of seven, this is the fault corresponding to the egg and the black liquid oozing from it. This is not crazy wisdom, this is sheer nastiness and misogyny. It’s perhaps also about showing an intelligent woman her place and reminding her she’s still a woman through « upāya » (having her shove an egg up her vagina). Perhaps, in theory, the difference between man and woman was slightly attenuated on the bodhisattva path, but, in practice, Tantra showed the mudrā where her real place was and what her real rights were…<br /><br />Where is Padampa’s wisdom in this anecdote ? Where did it all go ? All there seems to be left is upāya, with magical links between specific actions, specific results and *very* specific remedies. Perhaps that aspect has always been there in Buddhism, right from the moment of awakening under the Bodhi Tree, but here it seems to have taken an importance out of any proportions, and it doesn’t look good IMHO.<br /><br />Of course this is not about Padampa or Zhama, but about some clerc writing stuff, probably at a later time with a certain agenda. It will be hard and probably impossible to identify that clerc and kick his ass, but at least this sort of agenda could be exposed as something not wished for then, and even less now. Hey, that’s my agenda !"Hridayarthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713264962804395563noreply@blogger.com